Reef Central Online Community

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community Archives > General Interest Forums > The Lounge

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #26  
Old 12/30/2007, 10:23 AM
Jeffrey Porter Jeffrey Porter is offline
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Bermuda - No!....not in the Caribbean
Posts: 309
Send a message via Yahoo to Jeffrey Porter
2
__________________
Oh there's nothing wrong with it. Just a big hole where the pilots usually sit. 'Airport 1975'

There were plenty of fish in the sea, but i wasn't ready to hang up my tacklebox.
  #27  
Old 12/30/2007, 10:56 AM
cwegescheide cwegescheide is offline
Moved out
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 2,477
Send a message via AIM to cwegescheide
For me, I have a soft spot for the Elderly (because I have a lot of respect for people who have lived and put up with all the crap in the world for 70+ years deserves respect), children because their innocent (for the most part) and everybody else should get whats coming to them one way or the other, 2 fold.

I think most animal lovers treat their pets as a member of the family. I know I think of my dog that way. Anybody who thinks of a dog as "just a dog" shouldn't have a pet. The next time you hear of a dog saving a family from harm you can think oh its "just another dog"

I also think that a lot of animal lovers only treat their pets like they wish they could treat people but can't bring themselves to do it because most are out for themselves.


OK... now I don't think we know all the details of these people that have conditions that leave them with diminished quality of lives. I think it should be a matter of choice and medical science should respect these peoples wishes and not force people to take matters into their own hands.
__________________
In search of the illusive pinky toenail.
  #28  
Old 12/30/2007, 01:05 PM
JokerGirl JokerGirl is offline
Where the future begins!
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Indy
Posts: 874
Quote:
Originally posted by cwegescheide
I think it should be a matter of choice and medical science should respect these peoples wishes and not force people to take matters into their own hands.
But medical science aren't the ones who want to keep them alive... from what I've seen it tends to be people's religious convictions that keep them alive.
__________________
"I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return."

“Those things that nature denied to human sight, she revealed to the eyes of the soul.”
  #29  
Old 12/30/2007, 01:12 PM
amcarrig amcarrig is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Wethersfield, CT
Posts: 2,855
I might get slammed for this but I will always value the life of a human being over the life of an animal. Yeah, there are alot of bad people in the world but that doesn't affect my overall opinion.
__________________
PC load letter? What the {bleep} does that mean?
  #30  
Old 12/30/2007, 01:19 PM
BigSkyBart BigSkyBart is offline
On "The List"
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: BigSkyCountry
Posts: 377
hopefully you won't get slammed for expressing your value of human life. I'm sure the vast majority of society agrees with you.

I, on the other hand, do not share that opinion.
I know I'm in the minority, but on any given day I meet at least one person who I think could make the world a better place by becoming a bear turd. (or a lion, tiger, wolf, coyote, shark etc... turd)
I expect to be slammed for my lack of compassion for humans
__________________
as scary as it may be, bart and i are very similar in our opinions of this topic
~jpfelix

HEY! I lost it first ~CRP

There is no "Brain" in "Brian." ~Beerguy
  #31  
Old 12/30/2007, 01:24 PM
Freed Freed is offline
Ich Rumor/Myth Buster
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Ft. Wayne, IN.
Posts: 5,350
Hehe, I agree with Bart. The love from an animal whether it be dog, cat(can't stand them), pig, horse, etc., is unconditional. Discipline them for some odd reason and they come right back to you no matter what with the same love and forgiveness as before.
__________________
Freed
  #32  
Old 12/30/2007, 01:29 PM
amcarrig amcarrig is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Wethersfield, CT
Posts: 2,855
Quote:
Originally posted by BigSkyBart
I expect to be slammed for my lack of compassion for humans
I doubt it I completely understand how some folks can choose the life of an animal over a human and I have felt the same way myself on more than one occassion, that's for sure.
__________________
PC load letter? What the {bleep} does that mean?
  #33  
Old 12/30/2007, 01:43 PM
BigSkyBart BigSkyBart is offline
On "The List"
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: BigSkyCountry
Posts: 377
I'm not placing a higher value on animal life than human

I love animals, espescially the tasty ones

I am just stating, that in my oninion, many humans are a waste of resources that could be supporting other organisms

there are also many animals I could do without

fortunately for many, it's not Bart's world, so my wishes to thin the herd known as humanity go unheeded

"you, outta the gene pool!"
*end rant*

I believe I'll shut my pie-hole now
__________________
as scary as it may be, bart and i are very similar in our opinions of this topic
~jpfelix

HEY! I lost it first ~CRP

There is no "Brain" in "Brian." ~Beerguy
  #34  
Old 12/30/2007, 01:46 PM
amcarrig amcarrig is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Wethersfield, CT
Posts: 2,855
Quote:
Originally posted by BigSkyBart
I'm not placing a higher value on animal life than human
Oops, didn't mean to imply that you did. Sorry if I came across that way....my bad
__________________
PC load letter? What the {bleep} does that mean?
  #35  
Old 12/30/2007, 04:01 PM
cwegescheide cwegescheide is offline
Moved out
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 2,477
Send a message via AIM to cwegescheide
Quote:
Originally posted by JokerGirl
But medical science aren't the ones who want to keep them alive... from what I've seen it tends to be people's religious convictions that keep them alive.
Are you talking about the Physicians religious convictions or the patients? I'd bet the majority of people that this sort of thing happens the people wanted out but didn't want to suffer by refusing medical treatment.
__________________
In search of the illusive pinky toenail.
  #36  
Old 12/31/2007, 02:39 AM
jpfelix jpfelix is offline
Registered Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: jefferson city, mo
Posts: 625
Quote:
Originally posted by Altpers0na
i frequently think of the lounge as a cruel, compassionless sort of place...


but on this one i agree with tony, dave and cristy..

i prefer most peoples pets to most people
omg....have i become compassionate!?

we can't have that! i want you to take those words back!


as scary as it may be, bart and i are very similar in our opinions of this topic.
__________________
tony


__________________________________
"Some people are like a slinky, they serve no apparent purpose, but
they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the
stairs."
  #37  
Old 12/31/2007, 07:02 AM
BigSkyBart BigSkyBart is offline
On "The List"
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: BigSkyCountry
Posts: 377
Quote:
Originally posted by jpfelix

as scary as it may be, bart and i are very similar in our opinions of this topic.
hmmm, it is time to update my quotes?





























yes, yes it is
__________________
as scary as it may be, bart and i are very similar in our opinions of this topic
~jpfelix

HEY! I lost it first ~CRP

There is no "Brain" in "Brian." ~Beerguy
  #38  
Old 12/31/2007, 07:40 AM
bluerug bluerug is offline
living life 2 the fullest
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,961
Well I think I don't really have to say much else other than the fact that I value a human life over a dog's life or cat's life any day of the week.
__________________
Pac 10 is a joke.

Big Ten is a joke.

SEC is the real deal.
  #39  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:00 AM
spoiledcats spoiledcats is offline
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lehigh Valley
Posts: 609
Quote:
Originally posted by bluerug
Well I think I don't really have to say much else other than the fact that I value a human life over a dog's life or cat's life any day of the week.
That would depend on the human.
__________________
Robin
  #40  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:12 AM
crp crp is offline
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Clay, New York
Posts: 1,315
Quote:
Originally posted by spoiledcats
That would depend on the human.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
__________________
-- Carrie --

Oh shut up, and kiss my fairy wrasse. ~Gawain1974~

silly girls make stuff hard ~drauka99~
  #41  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:15 AM
bluerug bluerug is offline
living life 2 the fullest
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,961
Quote:
Originally posted by spoiledcats
That would depend on the human.
To me a human is a human.
__________________
Pac 10 is a joke.

Big Ten is a joke.

SEC is the real deal.
  #42  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:18 AM
BigSkyBart BigSkyBart is offline
On "The List"
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: BigSkyCountry
Posts: 377
ummm, I forgot, is michael vick still innocent?
__________________
as scary as it may be, bart and i are very similar in our opinions of this topic
~jpfelix

HEY! I lost it first ~CRP

There is no "Brain" in "Brian." ~Beerguy
  #43  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:26 AM
bluerug bluerug is offline
living life 2 the fullest
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,961
Quote:
Originally posted by BigSkyBart
ummm, I forgot, is michael vick still innocent?


Very funny. But he is still indeed a human, is he not?
__________________
Pac 10 is a joke.

Big Ten is a joke.

SEC is the real deal.
  #44  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:28 AM
bluerug bluerug is offline
living life 2 the fullest
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,961
I can name a lot of people that have done far worse things than Vick and got lesser sentences. But don't worry he will be out before he serves his full sentence for good behaviour. And hopefully the NFL will let him play again for serving his time and doing the punishment.
__________________
Pac 10 is a joke.

Big Ten is a joke.

SEC is the real deal.
  #45  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:34 AM
BigSkyBart BigSkyBart is offline
On "The List"
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: BigSkyCountry
Posts: 377
Quote:
Originally posted by bluerug


Very funny. But he is still indeed a human, is he not?
I for one, have my doubts
__________________
as scary as it may be, bart and i are very similar in our opinions of this topic
~jpfelix

HEY! I lost it first ~CRP

There is no "Brain" in "Brian." ~Beerguy
  #46  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:36 AM
bluerug bluerug is offline
living life 2 the fullest
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,961
Quote:
Originally posted by BigSkyBart
I for one, have my doubts
How is he not human?
__________________
Pac 10 is a joke.

Big Ten is a joke.

SEC is the real deal.
  #47  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:37 AM
BigSkyBart BigSkyBart is offline
On "The List"
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: BigSkyCountry
Posts: 377
Quote:
Originally posted by bluerug
I can name a lot of people that have done far worse things than Vick and got lesser sentences. But don't worry he will be out before he serves his full sentence for good behaviour. And hopefully the NFL will let him play again for serving his time and doing the punishment.

between the greed of the NFL, the short memories & the sheep-like mentality of the NFL fans....you're probably correct
__________________
as scary as it may be, bart and i are very similar in our opinions of this topic
~jpfelix

HEY! I lost it first ~CRP

There is no "Brain" in "Brian." ~Beerguy
  #48  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:44 AM
bluerug bluerug is offline
living life 2 the fullest
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Orlando
Posts: 1,961
I hope that I am right he will have served his time and then should be allowed back to play the game. It would be a great comeback story just as long as he changes his personal lifestyle and truly does change because of the time he would have served. Being in prison can change a lot of people's outlook at life, ecspecially if you are used to the high life.
__________________
Pac 10 is a joke.

Big Ten is a joke.

SEC is the real deal.
  #49  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:47 AM
BigSkyBart BigSkyBart is offline
On "The List"
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: BigSkyCountry
Posts: 377
I suppose his outlook could change,
maybe he'll get on the prison baseball team

I hope they make him a catcher
__________________
as scary as it may be, bart and i are very similar in our opinions of this topic
~jpfelix

HEY! I lost it first ~CRP

There is no "Brain" in "Brian." ~Beerguy
  #50  
Old 12/31/2007, 10:51 AM
Sk8r Sk8r is offline
Team RC Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Spokane WA
Posts: 12,245
I had a great-aunt who had Alzheimer's. She had a live-in companion who took good care of her, she stayed in her own house, and, as our guest on Christmases, she could enjoy Christmas more times than anyone---wrap the presents again, and she'd forget she'd ever opened them. It was very sweet, and we did that for her when she'd get confused about what was going on. COnversely, she could tell us long, involved stories about life in the early 1900's.
But Alzheimer's doesn't stay at that stage. And it eventually gets very, very bad, in which quality of life is non-existent.

There's where there should be a recourse...with that and other problems where the individual's wishes are clear in a will, and where there is no medical [standard set in the will] reason to hope for anything but decline.

That said, darned right I'd do most anything for my cat, while lowlifes who take pleasure in destruction and pain can just enjoy their own pain, thank you, to the end: they don't get any points with me because they share DNA with the rest of humanity. Of all the people who deserve to live and can't---the demise of the lowlifes of the world just makes me wish their lives belonged to somebody who'd use them better.
__________________
Sk8r

"Make haste slowly." ---Augustus.

"If anything CAN go wrong, it will, and at the worst possible moment."---St. Murphy.
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef Central™ Reef Central, LLC. Copyright ©1999-2009