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JetCat thanks for the reply! those mandarins look like they should be put on a diet! lol... your tank sounds like it is much more established then mine... so for right now i like the idea of using one occasionally... like perhaps at the time of hoh change... blow off some detritus from the rock and from around corners in the tank let it all go into the sock... perhaps run it for a little til tank clears up then remove it... in the long run i think i am definitely going to consider using one full time... might even just start incorporating it slowly... use it for few days at time etc thanks again and regards! ps that was a great post on the gfo... you got my vote on that one! ![]() |
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I love to run without a sock I get detritus in my cheato. It usually isn't too bad but I rearranged my rockwork a few weeks back and I am still blowing tons of it. I suspect I will have to run socks for quite a while to get that all stabalized.
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Filter socks and waterchanges go together like peanut butter and jelly baby!
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I believe there are two disadvantages of using filter socks.
1)Lots of flow goes through the filter sock in just one hour and when detritus traps in it, due to the pressure they get mixed into the water before you clean the filter sock. 2) Detritus and planktons get trapped in the filter sock. Although this is the purpose of filter socks, detritus is used by many organisms like corals, anemones, tube worms, fish, clams, etc. Since its quite impossible to provide a tank with enough micro foods all the time, at least I prefer the existing ones to stay and not taken away by a filter sock. I dont think floating detritus is a problem for a healthy reef tank, since they are used by filter feeders.
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I don't want to hijack this thread either, but what about for a new system say 3-5 weeks old with a standard LFS sump with built-in sock holders/refugium and compartment for sponge and another for the return/skimmer?
Another reefer recommended perhaps removing all sponge media and the socks until the tank is established. In this case, we're talking about a fairly new 70 gallion reef. My nitrates are around 15 -- I'd like to see them at zero. Maybe someone should post a poll?
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I think I will try to rinse out any pods in my filter socks when changing every 2-3 days.The tank seems to stay much cleaner and clear with the use of the socks vs. without.
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I agree 100% with Dover101. I do my best to save teh pods when I do my cleaning, but with my great water conditions, I wouldn't want to go without using socks!!
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I would agree that some good stuff does get caught, but if you think that the socks remove all or most of the detritus I think you may be worng. Take your hand or a powerhead and make some waves go across the rocks and corals in your tank and look at how much detritus gets kicked up. When you do feedings, you can do this with your pumps off and then it will feed your corals when you feed your fish whatever you feed them. Then when you turn your pumps back on the socks will catch whatever garbage is in the water column. Nothing personal just my 2 cents. ![]()
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I have several tanks. Some of the tanks used to have mechanical filters in place and others did not. I saw NO difference in water clarity. That being said, the tanks WITHOUT the socks I always had HUGE populations of feather dusters come out of nowhere and thrive in the tank. The ones with the filters had much less (if any) feather dusters.
But the main point is I saw no difference in the clarity of water with and without the mech. filters. I have since removed all the filters except for one tank that uses bioballs as the main biological filter. |
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![]() the rock work was even more so covered with them. |
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Here is my experience:
I had my newly established 120 without filter socks for three months. I have an ev180 on one side of the sump, a refugium with Chaeto and miracle mud on the other and a phosban reactor in the middle return section. The water was not as clear as it could be, and there was a little nuisance algae growth on the rocks/in the sand bed. There is a large enough"cleanup crew" in the tank, as well as two tangs. A few weeks ago I added a 7 inch filter sock/bracket from Dr Foster/Smith on the skimmer side of the sump. The refugium side is sockless. The water is now totally clear, and the algae growth has receded. I do have to change the sock every three days, when the water level rises in the sock to almost overflowing. It only takes a minute to swap the socks, and the dirty one goes into the wash machin on rinse/spin cycle two or three times until it is white again. Then hang to air dry. I have thought about adding a 4 inch sock to the refugium side, to control dirt build up in the miracle mud. We'll see. . . I have to clean to orp probe and check on the skimmer and add two part solution every few days so taking a minute to swap socks really is not an inconvenience. Everything else is automated and I have not done water changes, so I don't feel like the maintenence is a chore.
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heck i like em so much i got another order in today of 10
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You like your socks almost as much as I do!
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As far as I understand the NO3 buildup from using the socks may not be due entirely to the build up of detritus - as the water becomes aerated in the sock, very efficient aerobic bacteria colonize the sock, and you have in effect created a wet dry filter - and as we know the aerobic bacteria in a wet/dry will crank out NO3. Thay being said, I run socks on all my systems, I find without it I get a light buildup of detritus on my corals. I do change them at least once a day, in my mind this is not allowing the aerobic bacteria to reach certain levels, and none of my systems have NO3 in a measurable range.
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if there is no detritus in the socks to break down there's nothing for it to turn into NO3
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Pro-socks too: I guess, it's setup and type of the tank dependent. My oversized skimmer is not good in capturing particles, and they settle in the sump or return in the tank - it's not theory, I can see it...
With micron sock, changed daily, the tank is cleaner. After reading threads about Calfo's overflows and making skimmer work productive, did almost all improvements and tried for a months without micron sock. With sock was better, IMHO. Pods loss: no pod alive goes there, the scooter takes care of it ![]() |
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What is better: 100 or 200 micron sock?
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the lower the micron the more often you need to change them. anything less then 400 should do the trick of clearing up most particulate matter.
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That and the longer you let them run the finer they filter. I find 100 micron works very well for me.
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Should the sock hang in the water or out?
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the top ring needs to be out of the water, the rest is optional
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But: I had heard that there are micron socks 5 and 1 micron - they should clean very well in gravity fed sump (mine is not). I used 5 micron Quick Filter attachment to AC powerhead and diatom filter, filtering down to 1 micron - the water becomes clear, small particles are removed very well. Quote:
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