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Old 10/16/2007, 03:58 PM   #1
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Berlin Turbo XL protein skimmer

I am going to be setting up my 110g acrylic tank very shortly and I need to get a better skimmer for it. Of course I am on a budget, what college kid isn't? I'd like to get an asm skimmer or equal but just can't afford it. A LFS near me ( that fish place in Lancaster, PA) has 30% off on certain days of the week on dry goods, so I am going to get my skimmer from there, it'd be the best deal/price. The skimmer I am looking at is a berlin turbo XL, it comes with a 550gph pump, and rated from 150-400g but we all know how those ratings go . So anyone have on of these? Experiences? Good bad? I can't afford top of the line, but I don't want a POS, heres a link for the skimmer, thanks.

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Old 10/16/2007, 04:04 PM   #2
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dont do it. i have two of them from years ago that i would never sell because i wouldnt be able to sleep at night. they are now carbon and phosphate reactors. how much do you have to spend?


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Old 10/16/2007, 04:08 PM   #3
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this is still a little undersized for your tank but you will be much happier with it then the berlin

http://www.aquacave.com/detail.aspx?ID=983

http://www.aquacave.com/searchresult...CategoryID=222


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Old 10/16/2007, 04:21 PM   #4
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Why was it so bad? What did it do/not do? Not be able to sleep at night, was it noisy? Or because you would sell a POS to somebody and worried for them? Haha! Those skimmers are nice, but a little out of my price range. The berlin w/ TPP's 30% off plus tax would be under $160. I'd like to stay under $200. The ASM G2 is still over $200 even with the discount. I wouldn't mind buying something used, as long as it worked good. I just want a skimmer where I don't have to keep on messing with it to get good skimate. Any more suggestions mbbuna? Thanks for you help!


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Old 10/16/2007, 04:28 PM   #5
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Why was it so bad? What did it do/not do?
what did it do? draw electricity. not do? produce skimmate

i didnt want to sell it because i knew it was junk

look in the used forum and ask in the De and Philly forum if anyone has a skimmer


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Old 10/16/2007, 04:29 PM   #6
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mbbuna is absolutely right. I had one many years ago and it isn't worth $20. I had to adjust it several times a day and never really got it to skim. I bought a new "Turbo" pump and added the venturi piece with no change in performance.

I've had ASM's and Octopus skimmers and they both worked very well. Even the ASM mini would be better. Check the forums for a used one and you will be much happier.


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Old 10/16/2007, 04:50 PM   #7
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Looks like I will just have to save up for an ASM, any reccomendations? Experiences? I don't want to have to adjust it, I just want to put it in the sump and let it do its thing! I am thinking about doing the ASM G3, its only $27 more for a bigger pump/skimmer then the G2, total $230 with tax. Anyone know how long the 30% off lasts at TPP? I think that is my best bet, I see used ASM's going for new with the discount at TPP.
Any other skimmer suggestions for a reasonable price? I guess making my own is outta the question?


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Old 10/16/2007, 04:51 PM   #8
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Definitely look for something else, I got a PM-Bullet1 skimmer with the sedra 9000 pump, gate valve, stand and larger remote waste collector for $125 from our local clubs forum here on RC and was only 8 mos old new would have been over $500 and it skims as well as most NW skimmers I have seen


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Old 10/16/2007, 05:13 PM   #9
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That's a good deal, I think I am going to save up for an ASM G3. I can get it brand new, warrenty and all for $230. It's rated for 250g, so should be plenty for my 110g.


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Old 12/08/2007, 11:10 AM   #10
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I have a 60 gal pred tank w. a volitan, dogface puffer, clown and 2 damsels. I have a Prizm delux but am not overly pleased-bubbles and noisy. I have had it for a while and it does do the job but am considering an upgrade. I do need a hang on....That Pet Place is having a sale and I can get a Berlin hang on -23"-w. pump for $ 160.00. Any opinions?? When I was in sales in this industry, I used to be of the opinion that Berlin's were overpriced for their performance. If not the Berlin, any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 12/08/2007, 12:33 PM   #11
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I do need a hang on....That Pet Place is having a sale and I can get a Berlin hang on -23"-w. pump for $ 160.00. Any opinions?? When I was in sales in this industry, I used to be of the opinion that Berlin's were overpriced for their performance. If not the Berlin, any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
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bermuda's hob is pretty freaking amazing.

i have their older model archipelago powered by a mag 3...and it easily outskimmed a euroreef es5-2 and the es5-3.

the bermuda hob is on my 110g heavily stocked 110g mixed reef!

http://www.bermudaaquatics.com/rogue.htm




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Old 12/08/2007, 12:35 PM   #12
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Thanks for the advise.


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Old 12/08/2007, 02:05 PM   #13
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anybody that has actually USED the Berlin hang on?


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Old 12/08/2007, 03:11 PM   #14
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Last berlin I dealt with, it ended up in the trash. Replaced with a PM 2 night and day difference. The ASM G3 isn't too bad, easy to use, seems like you're getting it for a good price too.


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Old 12/09/2007, 05:26 PM   #15
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Thaks again for the advise. Still tempted to go with the Berlin...


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Old 12/09/2007, 06:13 PM   #16
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Thaks again for the advise. Still tempted to go with the Berlin...
why would you still be tempted to get it? the only people ive ever seen give them a good review are people that this was there first and only skimmer and never used anything else.


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Old 12/09/2007, 07:48 PM   #17
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I am looking at the MTC HSA 1000, anyone know anything about that? Need a good pump that doesn't require a lot of energy to run it also.


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Old 12/09/2007, 07:53 PM   #18
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TPP 30% off was good till this past fri..I have a 25% for this next thur...


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Old 12/09/2007, 08:03 PM   #19
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Yeah, they will probably come back with 30% off later next year. The only good skimmers they have is PM, but never have any or big ones in stock. ASM isn't all that from what I've researched, plus they never have the bigger ones in either.

Anyone know anything about MTC HSA 1000 skimmer?


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Old 12/09/2007, 08:33 PM   #20
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thats a beckett skimmer and you will need a large pressure pump to run it right. large pump= large electrical cost. (pump recommendations on this page http://www.marinetechnical.com/page8.html) i had a large duel beckett and it worked well but was hard to dial in, needed a large watt pump, the injectors needed to be cleaned at least once a week and there was no guarantee that 5min after you just cleaned the injector a little speck of something wouldn't get in the injector and you would have to clean it all over again. ill never run a beckett again


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Old 12/09/2007, 08:40 PM   #21
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you can get the 25% off right at the store..they have the flyer at the registers


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Old 12/09/2007, 09:03 PM   #22
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why would you still be tempted to get it? the only people ive ever seen give them a good review are people that this was there first and only skimmer and never used anything else.
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the right way and the hard way!

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Old 12/09/2007, 09:55 PM   #23
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The Octopus NW200 is under $200 and will outskim a G2 anyday (It is a larger skimmer though...more loke the G3)


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Old 12/09/2007, 10:17 PM   #24
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mmbuna, so should I not get the HSA 1000? I can probably get it for about $300. I was going to run it by an iwaki 40rxlt 1200gph 136 watts. My return will be a ocean runner 6500 which is about 1600gph and only 115 watts I belive. I guess I could use that on the skimmer as well? But the skimmer is 4ft tall, so head loss has to be taken into account. What skimmer would you recommend for a 360g FO?


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mmbuna, so should I not get the HSA 1000? I can probably get it for about $300. I was going to run it by an iwaki 40rxlt 1200gph 136 watts. My return will be a ocean runner 6500 which is about 1600gph and only 115 watts I belive. I guess I could use that on the skimmer as well? But the skimmer is 4ft tall, so head loss has to be taken into account. What skimmer would you recommend for a 360g FO?
you would need to run a min of an iwaki 55rlt...which would be about 150 watts (or so) when under load...but most likely, you will probably need to run an iwaki 70rlt to get optimal performance from the big hsa...which is about 250 watts (under load).

the iwaki 40rxlt is a circulation pump and will not cut the mustard for something like the hsa.

i too have been down the beckett route and would not run another one due to the constant attention i had to give it to have it skim optimally...BUT nothing outskimmed it when it was at its golden point...just how much time do you have to continually fiddle with it?

360 fo tank?

look at the bermuda 8c, an aqua c ev-400, or an euroreef rc-25 are just a few suggestions you could look into as a starting point!


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