Reef Central Online Community

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community > Marine Fish Forums > Fish Only & Aggressive Tanks
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

Notices

User Tag List

Reply
Thread Tools
Old 01/01/2008, 10:26 AM   #1
jjj1100
Registered Member
 
jjj1100's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 482
epaulette shark tank mates...2 down already

Ok i have a 180, and now i have an epaulette shark in there by himself after he ate the sand sifting gobie and radiant wrasse. The shark is not even 12 inches, and I thought therre was noooo way it was going to happen...i feel terrible.

For future stocking, i was thinking a clown trigger, picaso trigger, large angel of some kind, harlquin tusk, a larger puffer, a naso tang and maybe an antenatta lion fish.

I know these fish all get big, and I will buy them around 4 inches or so, and not let them grow out past 10 inches or there abouts. but would that list be ok with the epaulette.


jjj1100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 10:29 AM   #2
Kreeger1
KING LEAR
 
Kreeger1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Cleveland Ohio area
Posts: 7,427
180 is to small for that shark IMO


__________________
Coming up on 25 years in this hobby...That's a lot of skimmate

Current Tank Info: Dsa 135
Kreeger1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 11:44 AM   #3
mwood
Premium Member
 
mwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Winterset, IA 50273
Posts: 2,299
I thought I read tangs pick at some shark's eyes.


mwood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 11:46 AM   #4
Kreeger1
KING LEAR
 
Kreeger1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Cleveland Ohio area
Posts: 7,427
I heard that too


__________________
Coming up on 25 years in this hobby...That's a lot of skimmate

Current Tank Info: Dsa 135
Kreeger1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 11:47 AM   #5
reefergeorge
Registered Member
 
reefergeorge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: St Louis MO
Posts: 4,222
Quote:
Originally posted by mwood
I thought I read tangs pick at some shark's eyes.
And angels.


reefergeorge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 12:26 PM   #6
jjj1100
Registered Member
 
jjj1100's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 482
so would you recommend no tang, and no angel with the shark...im not going to keep it in the 180 for ever as I know the grow pretty fast...he is around 10=12 inches now and has plenty of room


jjj1100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 12:27 PM   #7
TheSaltwaterGuy
Registered Member
 
TheSaltwaterGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,482
Not all tangs pick at the eyes. The main "eye-pickers" are Triggers, Puffers, Large Angels and some wrasse, most of which were given on his list.

From that list, you'd be ok with the Naso Tang, the Harlequin Tusk, and possibly the Lion.


__________________
- Chad

"The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on." - Robert Bloch
TheSaltwaterGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 01:54 PM   #8
FishyMel
Registered Member
 
FishyMel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 1,401
You know all the "eye pickers" are just general guidances, I can tell you of many people who keep Triggers, Puffers, and Large Angels with sharks with success, there are even people on this forum with them. But me personally wouldn't risk it, especially when dealing with a $400 animal. I would go for the lion, tusk, and naso and call it done. You don't want to over do your bioload.
Eppies are my favorite shark.


FishyMel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 03:36 PM   #9
TheSaltwaterGuy
Registered Member
 
TheSaltwaterGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,482
I also forgot to mention Butterflies.


__________________
- Chad

"The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on." - Robert Bloch
TheSaltwaterGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 05:52 PM   #10
jjj1100
Registered Member
 
jjj1100's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 482
so maybe one or two nice big butterflies, one lion, one puffer, and the tusk?

sounds like it would be a good tank


jjj1100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 05:59 PM   #11
limitedslip
Registered Member
 
limitedslip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 322
Parrotfish are great tankmates too...for some reason, they are always overlooked. Try a princess.


limitedslip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 06:02 PM   #12
krj-1168
Registered Member
 
krj-1168's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Eastern, NC
Posts: 382
Quote:
You know all the "eye pickers" are just general guidances, I can tell you of many people who keep Triggers, Puffers, and Large Angels with sharks with success, there are even people on this forum with them. But me personally wouldn't risk it, especially when dealing with a $400 animal. I would go for the lion, tusk, and naso and call it done. You don't want to over do your bioload.
Ummm. Not really. People that have kept Large Angels, Puffers & Triggers with "success" - have either been incredible Lucky or have kept them with more active & aggressive sharks - such as Nurses, Smoothhounds or Requiems sharks.

For the most part all these fish are "bad" for shark tank because they tend to pick on the shark - possible to point of death. Also butterflies, & Lion fish are equally bad choices.

The best choices of tank mates for small benthic sharks like the Eppie - is generally small moray Eels (like the Snowflake), groupers, and small round rays (such as the Cortez ray).

BTW - the Eppie will likely out grow the 180 in about a year to 18 months. You'll need a tank that is over 500 gallons to keep it for life.


krj-1168 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/01/2008, 06:24 PM   #13
reefer334
Moved On
 
reefer334's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: West Sacramento in Sunny California
Posts: 3,240
I have had a trigger kill a shark,please do not make the same mistake I did.If you go with a grouper just make sure it does not grow faster than the shark or get bigger than the shark as I have also had a grouper that has tried to eat some sharks, luckily I was there and saved the shark.Good luck.


reefer334 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/02/2008, 08:15 AM   #14
sixball
Registered Member
 
sixball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 304
As others have stated, only the Naso and Tuskfish are appropriate tankmates for your eppie from your list. Parrotfish would not be good choice at all, for a multitude of reasons, and buttefly's are generally a no-no. I have never had a problem mixing tangs with sharks. Other safe bets are groupers, larger wrasses, and some of the mild mannered moray's (i.e. not a tessalata).

Also, your statement about not letting them grow beyond 10" is a little amusing. There is nothing you can do to stop the growth of any of these fish short of killing them. Please plan an appropriately sized system for whatever you decide to keep.


sixball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/02/2008, 09:25 AM   #15
Puffer Queen
Registered Member
 
Puffer Queen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 1,041
Any fish that buries in the substrate is food for a epaulette. They naturally will forage in the substrate for food.

I have kept tangs, squirrel fish, hawk fish and rabbit fish with my sharks.


Puffer Queen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/02/2008, 02:52 PM   #16
TheSaltwaterGuy
Registered Member
 
TheSaltwaterGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,482
Quote:
Originally posted by jjj1100
so maybe one or two nice big butterflies, one lion, one puffer, and the tusk?

sounds like it would be a good tank
When I said I forgot to mention them, I meant they are not usually good with sharks or rays. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


__________________
- Chad

"The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on." - Robert Bloch
TheSaltwaterGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/02/2008, 02:59 PM   #17
limitedslip
Registered Member
 
limitedslip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 322
Quote:
Originally posted by sixball
As others have stated, only the Naso and Tuskfish are appropriate tankmates for your eppie from your list. Parrotfish would not be good choice at all, for a multitude of reasons, and buttefly's are generally a no-no. I have never had a problem mixing tangs with sharks. Other safe bets are groupers, larger wrasses, and some of the mild mannered moray's (i.e. not a tessalata).

Also, your statement about not letting them grow beyond 10" is a little amusing. There is nothing you can do to stop the growth of any of these fish short of killing them. Please plan an appropriately sized system for whatever you decide to keep.
why would parrotfish not be a good tankmate? I had my bicolor with a bamboo for a long time without any problems, and I have known ppl who have had hte same experience? Not trying to call you out, Im just curious on what the multitude of problems you claim are?


limitedslip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/02/2008, 04:23 PM   #18
FishyMel
Registered Member
 
FishyMel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 1,401
Quote:
Originally posted by krj-1168
Ummm. Not really. People that have kept Large Angels, Puffers & Triggers with "success" - have either been incredible Lucky or have kept them with more active & aggressive sharks - such as Nurses, Smoothhounds or Requiems sharks.

For the most part all these fish are "bad" for shark tank because they tend to pick on the shark - possible to point of death. Also butterflies, & Lion fish are equally bad choices.

The best choices of tank mates for small benthic sharks like the Eppie - is generally small moray Eels (like the Snowflake), groupers, and small round rays (such as the Cortez ray).

BTW - the Eppie will likely out grow the 180 in about a year to 18 months. You'll need a tank that is over 500 gallons to keep it for life.
I didn't say it was a good idea, I just said that there is a very slim chance it would work if he was willing to risk the animal and his pocketbook. Which for most people would be morally wrong or too expensive.

Didn't limitedslip have a stars and stripes puffer and juvie emp angel with his bamboo? How'd that work out?


FishyMel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/02/2008, 06:08 PM   #19
jjj1100
Registered Member
 
jjj1100's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 482
I realize that I can't stop a fish from growing, I meant I would take them to the LFS...thanks for all of the suggestions. I may be getting rid of the epaulette shark sooner than later, I really wanted a clown trigger, angel of some kind and a puffer.


jjj1100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/02/2008, 06:33 PM   #20
Reeferdude2
Moved On
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 53
I have a buddy who has a Grouper in with his and a Barracuda.The cuda is only about 6" now.But for now everything is fine.They are in a 750 gal tank.A new tank is being built now in the basement that is around 1500 gal for the cuda to go in.As it grows not sure of a tank mate for it unless it is called food.


Reeferdude2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/02/2008, 07:55 PM   #21
Carnavor180
Moved On
 
Carnavor180's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Pa.
Posts: 139
id go with a 6in undulated trigger


Carnavor180 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01/03/2008, 01:12 AM   #22
limitedslip
Registered Member
 
limitedslip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 322
Ya, I had a S+S puffer and a Juv emperor angel (along w/ some other fish) in the same tank as my bamboo. I wrote a whole thread on an easy way to adapt an angel to a shark a while back. It worked out great, and I never an into any problems with the setup.

From experience, Its not the animals temperament, but how it is raised, If you raise an angel or a puffer in their juvi stage along with a shark thats is too small to eat them, then they can coexist in their environment. The angel will have no reason to attack the shark and vice versa. However, A large angel + small shark or vice versa could be hit or miss. From the size of your eppie, I wouldnt risk it. My bamboo was raised w/ an angel since its birth, and the emp was 1 inch.

I never ran into a problem w/ the S+S puffer most likely because their sleep cycles seemed to be a mirror of each other, so while the shark was active, the S+S was sleeping.

There was also a parrotfish and a Porc puffer in the tank as well lol. Thats what 4 fish that ppl commonly say no to w. sharks?


limitedslip is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:47 AM.


TapaTalk Enabled

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2021 Axivo Inc.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef CentralTM Reef Central, LLC. Copyright 1999-2014
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2021 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.